The Future Of Work & Communities with Julie Fedele

I sat down with Portfolio Career Mentor and future of work commentator, Julie Fedele, for a grounded conversation about the future of work - especially for women entrepreneurs.

We explore why the traditional doom-and-gloom narrative about the future of work misses the mark, and how technological change and AI are opening up new opportunities for flexible careers and personal agency, without getting stuck in gig economy traps. We spoke to how to monetise your expertise, why your value goes far beyond trading time for money, and the powerful role of personal branding and community in an evolving business landscape.

00:00 Future of flexible work trends
04:14 Future of work and AI impact
08:12 Balancing AI and human presence
13:18 Using new tech for efficiency
16:33 AI and historical parallels
20:06 Understanding personal energy patterns
21:14 Introduction to human design
25:44 Integrating new community roles
29:40 Multiple income streams overview
33:30 Inspiring future of work discussion

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

So Jules, you are a portfolio career mentor and a future of work commentator. I am personally so excited about having the future of work conversation and I almost need to keep remembering in the next 30 minutes that we're on a podcast. So can you keep reminding me? Yes, first of all.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

I'm actually the worst person for this, so I'll just keep talking.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Like I could go up script here with just like all the things that I want to know. But actually, if I want to know what everyone listening will as well. Can we just start with like a vibe check on the future of work? So I want to talk future of work. I'm specifically interested in talking about the future of work for the type of women listening who are coaches, mentors, consultants. If you were to do a vibe check, an outlook, a feeling, like when we hear future of work, there is so much doom and gloom. But I something that I love about you is that you are far more discerning than just looking at the doom and gloom, like top layer. How would you describe the sentiment of the future of work?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah, okay. Um I'll try to keep this succinct. But when I think about the future of work and what I'm seeing in terms of the patterns and what we're seeing with people coming out of corporate and running more of their own businesses and being solopreneurs, what we're seeing is that it there's a lot more agency. That's why I'm really excited about it. So women have a lot more control, flexibility, and the ability to actually earn more money in their careers and whatever they choose to do versus being locked in a full-time job. Some of the patterns we're seeing is that organizations, because of technological changes, more emphasis on shareholder value, organizations are shrinking. So the FTE or the full-time equivalents are decreasing, but that opens up so much opportunity for the flexible workforce. And when I talk about the flexible workforce and consultants and coaches, I'm not talking about the gig economy where we're trading time for money, we're doing, you know, five surveys an hour to earn 60 bucks. Like that's not my jam and that's not what I promote. I'm talking about monetizing your skill set that you've gained over a number of years and then producing that for a B2B or direct-to-consumer business. And, you know, there's so much opportunity. I'm really excited about the possibilities of how we can earn money in the future. It's just the sky's the limit.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

I love that you say that because when I have always heard people talk about the gig economy, I'm like, oh, that's not my business. But when I hear you talk, I'm like, oh, that is my business. Like that's the world that I feel like I've created. And I feel like my clients are creating actual high value skill sets and being really discerning about creating these models which are essentially like encoded with their intellectual property. Correct. Yeah. So I feel like that's maybe triggered a few more things that you want to share. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

And I think the the thing that um, and I try not to get on my high horse too much. Oh, yeah, yeah. But I'm I'm a passionate person. Yeah, hi. Um when we talk about portfolio careers and why I've specifically chosen those words and how I support women, is because traditionally a portfolio career is you have years behind you in terms of some sort of expertise, and we don't try we don't trade time for money. So I'm not on an hourly rate. I have my intellectual property, my bespoke framework. I've worked on mine with you, and that is I'm selling you 20 years of experience collapsed into a six-month container, as an example.

unknown 3:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

And that is not something corporate women are taught. So a lot of what I'm supporting my clients with who are coming out of corporate and saying, how do you actually monetize skills? Because they're encoded to say, Oh, how much do I earn an hour? And then they try to match their corporate salary. And I'm like, that's not the game here.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

And I think men are really good at this, and there's a lot of education for women around this, we don't trade time for money, we have incredible expertise, and we do value-based pricing, and that's how we show our value in the market.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

So for women who are already doing this, who are, say, like coaches and consultants, do you maybe you have data or maybe you have thoughts around, you know, people like ideal clients coming into this sector. So let's say, for example, I'm just gonna use my own business because it's easiest for people listening. When I hear that, I'm so excited because I'm like, I have so many people coming into this dark side of the world who I'm gonna get to serve over the next five to ten years. And it's really fascinating because this obviously comes at a time, it's like the future of work is there's multiple prongs right now. So there's this conversation, then there's the AI conversation. And I think really what I'm asking here is like, how does that all fit together? So is it like we should all feel incredibly excited because there's more people who are also gonna be in, you know, this portfolio career club with us. But also, are there considerations because of AI? Like, how are we gonna set ourselves up to succeed with this?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah, and let me know if I'm answering this correct correctly. So, how I look at the particularly with AI, I'm also not thinking it in a um linear fashion. So you're either a corporate person or you have a portfolio career, or you're if you're a consultant or coach, you also don't have some sort of relationship with a corporate organization.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Yeah, so you're thinking about it probably uh like less compartmentalized, is what I just think about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I think of it as a portfolio of work, which for me has been the most freeing component of the way I'm working, because then I've got so much more opportunity. And some women come to me and say, Oh, do I not have my own business because I'm also I've got this corporate job that I do fractionally for two days a week. I'm like, no, that's one of your income streams. Totally. And how I see AI playing into this whole future of work, it's so interesting. Um, I always argue about the tech bros online. You you you see me eating, complaining, because I think there's a couple of conversations around AI. Firstly, for solopreneurs like ourselves or small business owners, it's incredibly powerful because it can just accelerate the way we can serve our customers and our internal operating system. So I'm in I'm really excited about teaching women how to do that. Again, you're not taught that in corporate, and the lot the sludge in corporate is the things that most people just accept as that this is normal. Yes. But what we are going to see, which I think opens up opportunity for us as solopreneurs, is that organizations are going to get rid of all a lot of their workforce because this is what happened in 2005 when I was a part of the digital transformation.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

So we got rid of all of the engineers, all of the marketers when we were implementing what we called digital strategic systems. Then within two years, they were all hired back as consultants. And so I'm seeing now what I think with AI is our cons the consultants and creatives and coaches positioning themselves now to make sure they understand AI, because they would be the best positioned to go and serve the cust the companies who have gotten rid of all their people and saying, So, how do you actually work with it? Yes. Because organizations are great at removing humans but not changing the system of work. Yes. So even if you can produce 25 PowerPoints in two minutes, you need someone to action that work. Yes. So who's going to do that if you've gotten rid of all your people? So again, I'm kind of excited. I'm just like, let us get our ducks in order because we're going to be the w best positioned to serve them and get even more work in the future.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

I hear that so much. And I think where I so agree with that. And I think where I sometimes trip myself up when I think about it is I'm like, what does this mean for marketing? Like, what does this mean for front-end marketing?

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

And and that's the piece that I'm still personally unclear of because I mean I get so granular on this because I start thinking about, well, when it comes to online marketing, like, are we gonna have platforms that are just like our human selves? And then are we gonna have AI versions? How much kudos do we pay to like, you know, is it that we need to be 50% in the AI world and 50% doubling down on being human? And I think this is this is something that I find fascinating. You know, I'm working with clients who are AI specialists and personal brand experts, and I really believe in both of those things being of equal importance right now. And sometimes I I want to split myself in two a little bit because I'm like, do I just need to go hard this way? Do I need to go hard that? I know that's not the answer. But again, how do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Yeah, this is so interesting because I was just reading a report this morning. Um, I will, I can't remember the name, but I'll get it for the show notes because I think your listeners would really like it. And it was all about the future of fandom. Okay, that's it's about communities. Yes. Okay. Because because of AI and exactly what you're talking about, it's like, how do we ensure that we're not just this AI version of ourselves when we're serving our clients because our clients will that they'll it won't pass a sniff test. Yes. And they'll start to say, like, well, I'm actually not in this group. This is not, they don't represent me. I don't see them. And also with rising costs and pressure on the economy, more and more people, although they do want in real life experiences, they want really connected digital experiences where people are showing up. Yes. And the digital experience is is leaving them feeling full versus I've just joined a webinar that it sold to me for 45 minutes of the time.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

And so how I'm thinking about this is really figuring out how am I present? Yep. What does present mean for me and how what can only I do? Yes. Instead instead of saying, well, let me delegate to the AI.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

And what I'm delegating to AI now is more of the ops, if I'm being completely honest. Yep. I also think ads is really interesting and how we're thinking about ads. I don't have the answer yet, but I I see that whole model being disrupted. Yes, agree. And so I don't know the answer for that one, but I do think for communities and marketing in general, it's human first. Yes. And if you do sound too much like you're reading from a script and AI, people are people are calling it out.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

I've noticed how like there's some really big players at the moment who are purposely making mistakes. I've heard this.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

I've I've heard I've heard this.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Like, like I heard an eight-figure business owner the other day who was like purposely making some mistakes on their webinar just to demonstrate that it was really them and it was intentional.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

I don't know how I feel about that.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

I mean, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

That's just that's just taking it too far for me. It's so performative. So, I mean, it's total tangent. And I posted this on Instagram the other day, and I got so many comments. There was this really big creator I follow, and I genuinely really like her. And then she came out with this real, and it's women who are doing this, it's which really pisses me off because I'm like, the tech boroughs actually know how to rally together.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

So I get really upset when we're calling each other out. And she was saying, here are the three ways you know someone's used Claude in their content. Here are the three towels. And I'm like, who gives a crap? We're all using it. We're all using it. Like, why do we are we just judging ourselves because we're better at hiding it? Yes. And if is this where we're going now? What a waste of energy and effort.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

It's so something that I've been doing inside my mastermind is showing how I'm human and AI. Yeah. So what I mean by that is like, for example, if I'm doing like a strategic review, I'm showing to a client, like, hey, you've given me your funnel. Here's what I did to make it better. I actually ran it through AI first. I pulled out these three things. This is what I think we're missing. Overlay my strategic expertise onto this. And I think we should do X, Y, and Z thing. And like really highlighting and showing that process. Because my view is that, you know, the most forward-thinking businesses are the ones that are going to be incorporating AI. They're not going to be afraid of it. They're not going to be afraid to show how they use it, because that just promotes more transparency. But they're also going to demonstrate, and and I personally say this every single day. I'm like, it's only as good as my strategic input.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Judgment and discernment. I know everyone is so over that, but I, and sorry to cut you off because I get passionate about this. But I was saying the other day, so I was showing um, I've redesigned some of my operations with how I support my clients. And now my whole um, I, you know, use human design. So I've with clawed code, I've now grabbed the human design AR API and I've been able to create this really cool product.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Right. It's just, it would have cost me so much money even 12 months ago, and now I could just do it with, you know, clawed code and it was amazing. And then I produced this uh portfolio career operating plan, which again, six months ago, would have taken me like each one at least 25 hours to build. And now I've built a system. It took me 12 hours to build, but now it's repeatable. And so loads of people have said to me, Oh, could you record how you did that so I can do it? And I'm like, I can absolutely show you the steps, but this is 20 years of experience. Like, you're not going to, you know, my thing around what I learned at a law firm in 2005 that really stayed with me is encoded in my work. It's a part of my discernment. Yes. And that's why I can use AI the way I I use it, I think. Yes. Because I do have, I know what I'm asking for. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

And I this is where I feel like, and I don't want to be on my high horse, but I feel like this is where we need to help people understand. It's like junk in, junk out.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yes. Say more.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Well, I mean, I just think if you are asking, you don't you're not clear on what you want AI to do. Yes. You could build a system, sure. It's going to build anything you want. That's a part of its predictive model. Yes. But the system won't be good.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Do you know what? I always think about like, so whenever I'm using AI for my specialist areas. So whenever I'm using it for business, for strategy, for funnels, for marketing, for mindset stuff, I'm always, if I've prompted it well enough, I'm like 80% happy. Yes. If I, and that's only when I've prompted it well enough, if I use it for things that are not my expertise, putting my baby to sleep, I know. Nutrition. Yeah. Like Perimenopause. I'm not I'm still.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

I'm just thinking for myself, I'm like, I've totally messed up on parameters.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Well, no, but what I was gonna say though is if I use it for any of those things that I don't are not my specialism, I'm like, this is so smart. And the reason why is because it's doing what is good, but because I'm not an expert in it, I think it's so smart. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes, I do. And so this is the problem. This is why we're seeing so much mediocrity. Because if you're like, oh, I don't need a business coach, I don't need a operation, I don't need any of that because I'm just using AI and it's really working for me. It's like, but are you achieving your goals?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

I know. It's so and I also think I'm really you can really tell my age now, Ali. I sound like an old woman. That's right. But I always think about history, like understanding history, because I'm not I'm worried about the future of work for sure, but I've I've seen an iteration of this, right? In 2000, I was a part of the dot-com bubble.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

My degree was one of the first degrees that was out of I literally the coding language I learned in 2001 was obsolete by 2004. Yes. So when I got into work in 2005, all of the systems I knew was I was doing e-commerce as well. That was all old tech.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

So I've kind of feel like it's not at the same speed, but I'm like, guys, history repeats itself. And I feel like we there will be this wash with AI, and then the humans will re-enter. So I think there's that. But also if I look back at the 1970s, so I'm um trying to write a book at the moment, which is uh the hardest thing I've ever done. And I'm in the research phase about work. And so if you look back to the 1970s, like it's similar things were happening in manufacturing.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

And actually uh a lot of workers were on strike because they were putting robotics into manufacturing plants and they were saying these robots are taking our jobs. And there were strikes about this. Huge.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I I really hope that everyone is like really listening to what you're saying right now.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

But see, we we're saying, and this is why I think it's really important that we don't just my whole point is don't outsource all of your knowledge to asking a question to an AI because its job is to keep you engaged and it predicts it's the sum of parts. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

Well, you're outsourcing your excellence to create mediocrity.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yes, because it's a sum of parts. Exactly. And and for me, I'm like read a history book and go back and say, okay, what happened? What's what patterns can we discern of what's happened in the past to help us predict what will happen in the future? Because there is there are no new ideas, and humans are pretty predictable in the patterns we go through.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Yes. It's such a big argument for, and this comes back to like that way I think about it as like more human over here, more AI over here. And I do think I, as we're talking about this, I feel closer to the answer of being like, well, you actually do need to decide this is how I'm more human, and this is where I'm doubling down on being more human, and this is how I'm using AI, and this is how I'm gonna leverage it. And it and it's a decision. And as I think about that, I'm like, it's almost like not deviating from that. Like over here, I'm gonna be more human. I'm gonna run retreats.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

I'm gonna continue to write bespoke strategy, but I will use AI with these systems of it to inform that bespoke strategy, you know, like really knowing exactly what that looks like.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

And I've been in your mastermind, right? I was for two years I was a part of it. And you you do that balance really well, right? So you show up and that and I know that you will be fine because I'm just like, I know you just know where your value is. Yeah. And I think that's the thing with new business owners is really helping them understand.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Really understand where your value is extracted, and then outsource the rest.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Okay, so can we come back to that? Because so you mentioned this before, but human design is a really big piece of how you work. And it's so fun. This is where you become such a unicorn because it's like portfolio career over here, future.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

And then I'm like, esoteric tool over here.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Well, it's what makes it fun because it's like it's actually the whole like three things, one of them slightly unique, is what makes that your unicorn. There's a model around that. I know there is, I don't know the exact one, but there is one. And it's kind of why I did like strategy marketing and mindset when I first was obviously like way more generic, but I was like, the mindset's the rogue one. Like having one that's like a little bit rogue, you'll always like stand out. It is your USP.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

So they're just like, oh, you do portfolio cuz, but with human design, how interesting. Yeah, tell us more.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

And what even is that? Yeah. So, so you said something before, which was basically like, and you didn't say it exactly this way, but what I extracted was, you know, focus on essentially where your humanness is. And it just got me thinking about energy and really understanding your energy. And I just think so much of like something I come back to all the time is I'm like, there are so many patterns that I can find as to why, again, I'm gonna use myself as the example because it's easy as to why people buy from me. I could do the same with you. It's like seeing the patterns, we could extract the data and go, this is why people are buying, this is how. And also, I know that 99% of the time it's an energy thing. And so, how does somebody who's working out where they're more human and where they incorporate AI, how do they do that when it's it's basically a question of like, how do you maintain your energy? Like, do you think about this in relation to human design? Do you have a process around that? I imagine that you do.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

So, a a part of when you come into my world, the first thing that we do is understand how you're designed to operate in your career and build a business.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And if for those of you who aren't familiar with human design, a really quick overview. So, human design is your personal operating system. It's an energetic system. It it has the chakra system, a bit of astrology, and a few others, which I don't have to um go into because I'll be here forever. But for me, it was the only system that scratched the surface of how I like to show up in the world. So I've done like Myers Briggs and Disc and Hogan, and they only taught me about who I was in the context of the organization or of other. But human design taught me I'm a builder in human design. So I like I can naturally generate my own work when I'm literally lit up. And so Lit up, it's like when someone says, Oh, well, do work you love. Well, when I started this work in 2017, 2018, I was burnt out.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

So what I would what I started to do is like, okay, what are the breadcrumbs of expansion? What what do I really where am I really excited? And what feels in integrity? So if someone is asking the question of like, how do I use AI versus my humanness? I would ask them, so what's what's the thing that you're like, I love this. I don't want to outsource this. And get curious about that. Because a part of I mean, I also think we shouldn't be obsessed with outsourcing everything. Agreed. Because that's what people are buying from us because they want to be served by us. That's why I love high ticket. I completely, I understand that completely. Like I didn't when I come in, came into your world initially because again, I was in the context, I was still working in corporate. Totally.

unknown 22:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Um you were you were already giving so much energy.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

It was like more energy. But also in corporate, the context is the organization pays.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

And so I was around a lot of people, which is totally changed now, by the way. And I was around a lot of people who were just like, I wouldn't pay for that for myself. But then when I was exposed to your world, I'm like, oh, these women know who they are.

unknown 23:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

They're high agency humans. Yes. And they want to be and they expect to be served by you. Oh yeah. And I love that. I'm like, 100%. So they should. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk communities. Yeah. So, you know, for 99% of people listening, they run some sort of community-based business, masterminds, memberships, group programs. What should we be thinking about? And what do you see as being the future of community? And I'd love to know, you know, if it's the same answer for online and offline, if there's different answers there. You know, as part of that, are you like must double down on in-person as well as online? Or, you know, just would love to hear your general thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yeah, okay. So I'll start in the context of how I think about the future of community by what I'm seeing in the future of work. Yes. Because we're, I call it the Hollywood model. So I think some um, I think I may have spoken to you this about it before, but I'll give you a really quick overview. So what we're seeing in the future of work, as I said, organizations shrinking, but they're still going to be able to, they still want to do major projects and work with really amazing humans. Yes. So what they'll what they've started to do is go out to the market and get different people like your producer, your director, your cinematographer, they create a team, they produce the product, and then the product, and then the people disband. Yes. And so it's like a Hollywood model of way of working. Yes. And generally there's a producer that brings all of these people together and says, I've got this group and we should all work on this project together. And so what I'm also seeing happen in organizations is the role of the head of talent is not internally focused on succession plans. It's going out to communities. Yes. Online communities, and saying, hey, which talent has marketing? Which talent has coaches we can bring in? Who knows about AI? And they're out sourcing those that talent from communities. Amazing. Isn't that just like the coolest? I think this is one of the most exciting things I've been researching about the future of work. Because I thought, oh my gosh, all of us in our world have the opportunity to be what I call producers.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

So giving our communities not just strategic insight and support, but also potentially connecting them with work.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

When you told me about that, I was so excited about it because I feel like I've been doing that inside my space for so long. Like even just by adding in, you know, people who can serve in different ways to my existing community. So to go, oh, hang on a second. Organizations would potentially then come and want that as well. I think that's so exciting. And it's so true. It's coming back to your initial point. Like it's thinking about it as being less like, oh, we left that organizational world and now we're consultants and we do things differently. And it's actually like, well, what does it happen if it's not so segregated?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

And that's why actually I was really excited when you were mentioning, are you going to be more active on LinkedIn? Because it used to be that we had the big coaches or creators of the 2010s in this part of the world, and then we had corporate here. That is all deconstructing, and we're all a part of the same soup. And so I can absolutely see your my your mastermind also being a gateway for talent for different organizations, big and small.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Totally. Well, I'm even seeing it in like, you know, for example, inside my mastermind and the mastermind model right now. Like I've got someone inside my mastermind right now who is a transformation specialist for people inside organizations enacting change. Exactly. Not change professionals. She's like, they're kind of like almost a bit averse to change professionals because they've got a different role. They come in, they're the ones who are inside creating change in their roles of like head of product or whatever it is. But they want to be part of a group so that they can enact change inside their organization. Yeah. And like that's that mastermind. That will be happening en masse in the next five to ten years. And how exciting. And her whole thing is like it's for you know, like advocates of change who are not changemakers. Yeah, and but that's so specific. To me, that makes no sense. But to her ideal client, it's like I'm that.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

But it's also the you asked me about what do you think online, offline, the future of like what type of communities? Like you're going to have micro-niche communities. Yeah. And so we also um, I think another mindset shift for communities, and certainly what I've been thinking about is I am one part of the value puzzle for a human.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

So you'll come to, you know, um, my community, which is being renamed at the moment, it was a portfolio career club, new name coming soon. And so you'll come to me for uh if you're transitioning out of corporate within the first few years and you're looking for to really understand how do you monetize your skill set and make bank, right? Like that's what I want my women to know that they can really make money doing this. Yes. And structure their portfolio career around their human design. Yes. Then we have other communities like there's AI snack bites. And so I would partner with AI snack bites community and say, could we do a deal and collaborate? Because my community members would really value. I don't want to be an I'm an AI specialist. I don't desire to be on, you know, teaching Claude, that's just not my thing. But I'd certainly want to offer like that community out as a service offering. So I I feel like that's going to be more of the ecosystem. Yes. And I'm kind of excited about it because A, a lot more agency.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

People are going to be more fluid about their work and we can all make more money. Yes. Which is great.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Okay. So I want to finish up with just a bit of an overview and feel free to share or as little or as much as you're willing to hear an overview of your portfolio right now. Like I want to know what what are your different diversification streams. And then one further on that is how you think about which ones you're going to double down on into the future.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah. Okay. All right. I love this question. Great. So I have five income streams. Yep. But the important nature about any portfolio, whether it's financial portfolio or portfolio career, they don't fire at the same capacity all the time. That's not the point. Some are riskier, some are really risky, some are ad hoc, and some are core. So I have two core income streams. Yes. And one of them is direct-to-consumer. And so I serve clients privately and within my community. And that is one of my core income streams. We built that together when I was working with you. The other income stream, which I've just launched in partnership with another group of uh ex-consultants, is really supporting organizations to reimagine the future of work.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

So that's a bespoke B2B offer and really supporting people. Well, how do you implement an AI workforce? Yes. And so they're the two I'm really doubling down on.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

And my other income streams, I've got one called the Portfolio Designer, which supports women six to twelve months out of wanting to leave their corporate world to translate and excavate their skills into income streams. And then I have a couple of um human design reports that people can purchase, which I've built with AI, which is really amazing. I've rewritten all the language myself, but I built it with AI, which is really cool.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

So you used to have a very incredible multi-six-figure corporate career. How does things compare now? Where are you at now?

SPEAKER_01 31:09

I have, and I'm not just saying this, I ran went for a run yesterday and I posted on Instagram. I'm like, I'm living my dream life. I had two VIP days this last week. And my VIP days is I get to spend a full day with a woman wanting to scale her portfolio career using my corporate skills. I used to build businesses in private equity. That was my core job.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

And I had I did that for businesses. Now I do it mainly for individuals. And I got to spend the whole day working and scaling a business, which I gave a shit about. And if you asked me, even when we were at the beginning of my cre my journey with you, I would just be like, that's a dream. That's never going to happen. And I actually just turned on this product six weeks ago. Because I thought I want to support people deeper, be more inhuman, be more in person. And I'm already booked out for the next three months.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Of course you are.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

But I mean, I'm not saying that to be like, you know, um a bit full of myself. But really, when you're working and living in alignment, it it's kind of magic, Ali.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Yeah. It's magic. And what you've created, and I mean you don't need to get specific what you can, but like the revenue, how does it compare?

SPEAKER_01 32:27

So the revenue is an interesting piece. So what I would say is I am exceeding my I used to also earn pound. So because I lived in the UK for eight years. Um I'm exceeding my monthly income working as a chief marketing and product officer, which I was at the private equity firm, and I exceed that monthly. Which is and I, you know, I get to, I don't have to I get to pick up my son. Yes. I'm a soccer mom. And you're at like the very early stage of the city. Literally I'm in May, I celebrate two years. But I was building, like I was slowly building when I was in corporate. But full-time May, um, I actually had my business's birth chart read recently. Amazing. And um just for the energetics. So and yes, my it is a client who does this, and she's like, you know, you're not even two years old. I'm just like, wow, it feels it feels a long time, like I've always been doing this, but also But this is what uh honestly aligned action.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

You well, like you were so born to do the work that you're doing right now. I just and I think, yeah, aligned action, like seeing you in the way that you show up and go after what you believe in, you've created very clear niche pathway and you're all in on it and you're making really big moves. It's amazing. But it's so, you know, the reason I ask those questions is because I want it to inspire people. Because I think that everything that you've spoken to today is very inspiring, and there's a lot of future of work conversation that is not. And I just think that we're in an algorithm right now that is validating and affirming negative hooks.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Just think about who's saying that. That's what I encourage everyone.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Just think about who is saying the negativity, why they're saying it. Yes. And also, team, if everyone doesn't have a job, how is capitalism supposed to survive? Like, truly. I know if I really go down to the brass tacks, I'm just like, if no one has a job, I mean, who this whole thing, none of this matters. And that's they're not gonna let that happen. I love this conversation so much.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Thank you, Alan. Thank you so much for being here. Is there anything you'd add to this? Just that I think you're incredible. Oh, thank you. That's it. Thank you. Love you, love this conversation. So grateful.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Thanks.